These are so so. I
"These are so so. I feel like they were designed to be worn under a jersey. The padding in them is flat and doesn't really conform to your arm, it sorry of still stays flat on your arm so it feels like if you were to take a high speed digger and come down on your elbows the pads would just twist and you'd be sliding on the mesh sleeve. I think if you wore them under a jersey they would naturally conform because the sleeve would hold them in. But under a t shirt they feel under gunned."